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I love reading with my daughter and hope to continue with stories like these for years to come. Mar 09, LemonLinda rated it really liked it. It really is amazing to me that this author, a female, can get into the head of a male teenager, to such a degree that she so completely reveals his thoughts, his actions, his justifications, his excuses, etc. In reading about the author, she said that as a teen she was not satisfied with what was available for her to read so she did something about it and as a consequence she wrote literature relevant to and for a young adult audience.

Of course, the frankness and bold honesty over the years h It really is amazing to me that this author, a female, can get into the head of a male teenager, to such a degree that she so completely reveals his thoughts, his actions, his justifications, his excuses, etc. Of course, the frankness and bold honesty over the years has not been so completely embraced and her books have been "taught in some schools and banned in others".

Her target audience may be YA, but I contend that adults can also learn from and benefit from the honest dialogue of teens who are growing up in near poverty situations so that rather than reacting with judgement there can be an attempt for a deeper understanding. Aug 31, Teri rated it it was amazing. I think I've read The Outsiders at least 6 times but strangely I've never read any other of Hinton's books until now. It's just as gritty and real as Outsiders but it's time period is set a bit later.

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Not too late for Ponyboy to make a cameo appearance though. It's fun even reading that name! As a parent of a teenager and more on their way there it was a good reminder of all the crazy emotions of that age. My favorite part is C I think I've read The Outsiders at least 6 times but strangely I've never read any other of Hinton's books until now. My favorite part is Cathy crying to her father and saying, "You can't say, 'This is just a stage,' when it's important to people what they're feeling. Maybe he will outgrow it someday, but right now it's important.

View all 3 comments. What an emotional roller coaster. I remember reading this in high school, but I couldn't remember anything about the story. Until almost the end of the book and then I knew everything. Ugh, what a mess it ended up being. Seems like more than one person lost their mind. Aug 28, Michael cook rated it it was amazing. Do you like gangs, drugs and hustling for money? This book is about the criminal life of 16 year old Bryon. Bryon and his best friend Mark used to spend most of their time pool hustling and mugging people. Ever since they were kids they loved to fight.

Almost every day they would mug people or hustle them in pool for money. One night that completely changed for Bryon. Their good friend Charlie ran the bar they would hustle in. One night when Bryon and Mark were l Do you like gangs, drugs and hustling for money? Charlie came to the rescue just in time but got shot. The two friends stop seeing each other and begin to grow apart. This book grabbed me from the first page and drove me to read more.

Hinton did a great job with suspense and twists. Jun 09, Jennifer rated it really liked it.

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This is a coming of age story about two best friends, and what happens to them when they start to mature and grow apart. It is a story about friendship, loyalty, and mostly how the difference between right and wrong is subjective. There is excellent character development, and although the book is short I finished it in a few hours by the end you feel for every character in the story, as if you really know them. Recommended for anyone who liked The Outsiders. I read all 4 of her novels repeatedly for years. Then drooled over the casts of the movies.

I felt a bit nostalgic when I noticed this audiobook at my library and immediately checked it out. I traveled back in time. Of course how I feel about the storyline now is not nearly as overpowering as it was 35 years ago, but I appreciated the flashback. Oct 17, Mike rated it it was ok Shelves: realistic-fiction. The Outsiders is one of the most important books in YA history. I doubt it was the first book to portray poverty and gang violence among teenagers realistically, but it was the first to get popular, and it hugely expanded the boundaries of what books for kids could do, in a way that's never been done before or since.

With The Outsiders, Hinton paved the way for authors who took teenagers seriously as an audience to write about important issues. Well, they wouldn't be possible without Hinton's influence. Books can be influential without being good, but I'm happy to say that I did moderately enjoy The Outsiders. It had its flaws, but it's a solid YA book, especially considering that Hinton was doing something she'd essentially never seen done before.

So it made sense that it would be good to check out her follow-up. This book didn't have the same popularity that The Outsiders did, but I still see it in used bookstores every once in a while. But, unfortunately, this turned out to be a far weaker book than The Outsiders. I can see why this book wasn't as popular or acclaimed as The Outsiders - it's just not as impactful or well-written. The first problem is immediately irritating, from the opening pages of the book: the direct characterization. Bryon is constantly telling us things about the other characters, rather than letting us see for ourselves.

This telling, rather than showing, is essentially how every character in the novel is constructed. It got to the point where I'm not even sure if these characters are at all developed - perhaps they just have a lot of informed traits. It gets difficult to tell when Hinton feels the need to inform us of every single thing about them. This device isn't just a lazy way out of using subtlety, it's also an active barrier to letting us connect to these characters.

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There's no way for a character to feel like a real person when their character traits are being constantly shoved down our throats. Characterization just doesn't work that way. Allowing the reader to do some work in picking up on character traits is essential in keeping the reader engaged - without that, there's no reason for the reader to stay interested. It doesn't help that the plot is so meandering and flimsy. There's no overarching conflict here, just a bunch of barely-related plot threads. There's just no forward motion behind this book. The characterization doesn't provide it, and neither does the plot.

There's no real tension, no buildup to any sort of real or emotional climax. Things in this book kind of just happen, often never to be brought up again. Hinton just doesn't seem to have a good idea of what she wants to say here.

Many of the plot threads have potential themes that could arise from them, but there's no one idea that unites the whole book. That's probably the biggest strength that The Outsiders has compared to this novel. In The Outsiders, Hinton knew exactly what she wanted to say, and everything in the novel built up to that set of ideas.

Here, Hinton has no idea what she wants to say, so she has nothing to build the novel around. That's why it ends up so cheap and flimsy. This isn't a horrible novel. Bryon's voice is functionally identical to Ponyboy's, but it at least makes the setting feel immersive. And Hinton definitely does write dialogue well, even if it feels extremely dated today. But there's not much reason to read this novel. It's both far less influential and not nearly as good as The Outsiders, so just go ahead and read that instead of wasting your time here. This review can also be found on my blog.

Oct 27, Mary rated it did not like it. I had to read The Outsiders for class and had the option of reading That Was Then, This is Now for an assignment, which I decided to do since The Outsiders is great and I'll probably never read this book if I don't now. First off the synopsis the book gives you is a lie, what Byron discovers is in the very last chapter of the book! The real small summary was that a boy named Mark lives with Byron and Byron's mom. Byron and Mark hustle at poker frequently and manage to be friends with the owner of the building.

Byron meets a girl named Cathy who he's smitten by but Mark can't stand her. But when something unfortunate happens to the owner of the poker place, opinions on the world are changed, Mark seams to live in the moment and sorta doesn't care and is much less sad while Byron thinks it's all his fault and feels awful for it! The book if it didn't have the ending it does would've probably been a three there isn't truly a moment I'm on the edge of my seat, but how much drama can you expect from a short story?

But the ending is completely miserable and frankly I've given up on having perfect endings and I'm done being bother by them Sep 04, Leena Ali rated it it was amazing Shelves: fave-book. This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers. To view it, click here.

This book is about a guy named Bryon. He lives with his mom and his best friend Mark, lives with him cause both of marks parents died. Mark and Bryon have been best friend way before Mark moved in. One day Bryon had a really bad headache and wanted a cigarette. SO he reached under Marks bed to get the box that Marks keeps the cigarettes in. And he saw drugs in the box. So he called the police right away and he didn't know why he betrayed Mark. When Mark came in the room, Bryon looked at him, and This book is about a guy named Bryon.

When Mark came in the room, Bryon looked at him, and Mark said "Don't worry, I don't drink it,I just sell it" And Bryon said "I called the police" Mark went white and he tried to understand what his best bud had done. Mark told Bryon that he could've stopped if he didn't want him to sell them. But it was to late for Mark to do anything now,he can hear the siren beside their house. The police men came in and held marks arms tightly while Bryon told everything to the police about Marks job. Mark didn't do anything, he just started to cry and went with the police men. One day in jail, Bryon went to visit Mark, and mark said"I'm glad your here Its an amazing book.

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Dec 17, Abby rated it liked it. The book was so good During the journey of Bryon and Mark, that is. It was emotional, breathtaking, and shocking! Hinton is an obvious gifted writer, I'll tell anyone! Bryon is a kid who's focused on the big picture. He's serious but has fun if it's hassling or just being the cool kid.

He's a wise-crack kid and the biggest player in Tulsa. He never says "I love you" with feeling. But that was until Cathy came along. Mark is the joker. He's the one who can hardly speak a s The book was so good He's the one who can hardly speak a sentence with out grinning like Two-Bit character from The Outsiders. He's a 'lion' with blond hair and golden eyes. He's someone who focuses on the moment but will does this help? They've been together for almost ever.

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Now, that relationship is breaking slowly, crack by crack. Secrets pull them apart, realizations bring them back with anger, and brilliant words connect them. With Bryon growing up and Mark longing to be in the past, can they be best friends? Can they be even friends? This novel keeps you gasping in a total of 11 chapters until the last page. And it's the last page that shocks you the most.

Jul 15, Janie rated it it was ok Shelves: ya. I really tried to like this book. I loved the Outsiders, and I liked seeing some of those characters again. Brian and Mark just seemed a lot meaner to me though, without as many redeeming qualities. The thing that bothered me the most was the ending; it left me really dissastisfied. Whenever something ends sadly, people say it's realistic, but happy endings exist in real life, and would it kill authors to put one in every now and then?

Nov 09, Brian marked it as to-read Shelves: literary. Another I read as a child. Oct 26, Ian Ochieng rated it really liked it. That Was Then, This Is Now was a very eye opening read that becomes more exciting from the start to the end. I like Bryon, because the more he has life long experiences, the more he starts to realize reality. As the story develops Mark realizes how people really are. Mark learns that just becau That Was Then, This Is Now was a very eye opening read that becomes more exciting from the start to the end.

Mark learns that just because you may be close with someone in the past that they can change to be completely different people later on. He begins to realize that although Mark is his brother that he is a bad influence. This was wrong. This shows that Bryon is starting to realize how the world really is, and that people may not who they really seem they are. I enjoyed seeing Bryon grow as a person, and to stop being blinded of the stereotypes of the world he lives in. I would recommend this book to people that enjoy reading about realizations of what the world is really like.

Oct 26, Chris Clinton rated it really liked it. Bryon goes through a lot of things, especially for a teenager, and he changes his ways tremendously. Bryon experiences a lot of things like, gang violence, death, and depression. Bryon is a good character to display what went on in that society. Bryon starts off the book as a carefree teenager who seems to be living his life but that changes all of a sudden when he goes through a midlife crisis.

He experiences one of his friends dying, he also experiences his friend Mark get hit in the face with a bottle which caused a lot of bleeding. I recommend this book to people who like books about how the old days were and what the struggle was like for some people. Sep 17, Jason rated it it was amazing Recommends it for: Anyone. Shelves: , coming-of-age , young-adult. I like The Outsiders more, but Ms. Hinton shows us with her second book that she can, indeed, stay gold.

And I'll admit that this is the better written book. She improves a lot between ages 16 and 20, but some of the minor annoyances are still there. And I loved the story in this one; just look at all the stars I gave it. But there's a special place in my heart for The Outsiders mostly due to the movie, and that's that. And how awesome is it that Ponyboy makes a brief appearance in this?

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Uber awesome! The dude's cool as a fan. But this isn't about Ponyboy. It's about Bryon and Mark, besties who grow apart. Once Bryon started moving toward adulthood, I could barely put the book down. I understand him completely. I understand his feelings and turmoil. I understand his decisions not that I would've made the same ones.

I understand his eventual apathy. I understand his "just let me get the fuck away from here" attitude that's implied at the end. And yet I also understand Mark, though he's quite different from Byron. At least I understand part of Mark. I understand the hate, and I'm well acquainted with wanting to hold a grudge.

For some people, not holding a grudge comes naturally. For me it takes a lot of work. My natural inclination is to despise the mahfah to the end of his days, and Mark was betrayed pretty severely. But I understand. Yet I also don't like it. I'm quite conflicted, but I'm not pissed off about it at all. Does any of this make sense? If so, you're doing better than me, because I can't make heads or tails of it myself. All I know is that I related to a lot of what was going on, and I loved reading this. Hinton can make some great characters, and just like with The Outsiders , it's the characters that drive the story and not vice versa.

That's my kind of yarn, right there. There are strange inconsistencies in this book, but I wouldn't change anything about it since Ms. Hinton seems to be prudish in the same areas that I am.

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That Was Then, This Is Now and millions of other books are available for instant access. . Some of Tim's Stories (The Oklahoma Stories & Storytellers Series). That Was Then, This Is Now is a coming-of age, young adult novel by S. E. Hinton , first published in Set in the s, it follows the relationship between two friends, Mark and The book, like Rumble Fish, takes place in Tulsa, Oklahoma, Hinton's hometown and the setting of her first book, The Outsiders. However.

There's violence ranging from minor rough-housing to murder. There's drug use to the point of brain damage. There's drinking to the point of intoxication. There's cigarette smoking. And all of this stuff is happening with year-olds. Yet there's no profanity outside of an occasional hell or damn, and rough language is even commented on by our protagonists.

There's also a lot of going out with chicks, but it all stops waaaaaaay short of sex, though I reckon it's implied. One minor character thought she was pregnant at one point, but you have to read between the lines to catch that. This came out in , and was made for the young adult genre, so I suppose you could get only so graphic, but I found all of this kind of cute. I think there was some naivety on Hinton's part at work here, but I could be wrong.

And speaking of naivety, it's funny watching hippies infiltrate Tulsa when a couple of years prior it was just greasers and preps. There were small comments throughout on how peaceful the hippies are, and then we get one line from Bryon about how they wouldn't even fight to defend themselves Redline it, baby. Again, I could be wrong.

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If you like a good coming of age story with a rather sad ending at least for a young adult book , then get at it. May 12, Lee Foust rated it really liked it.

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They're for the birds! This book is about the criminal life of 16 year old Bryon. Hinton gives you enough to help form the image she wants, but not enough to wreck the experience of using some of your own imagination. White desperately wanted to reach Croatoan, a mere 50 miles to the south—though he also mentions that the colonists originally intended to move 50 miles inland. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separated from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

Hinton speaking before an audience. I fall back into memories of my early teen years in the mids. A precocious reader enamored of late-night Saturday horror film re-runs, I remember the 4th grade English project we had to do of choosing three somehow thematically-related novels and making a book box to put them in. Jekyll and Mr. I remember being more scared to pass my choices by the teacher than I'd ever been by any of the so-called scary films I'd ever seen, feeling like the world--read: my parents--considered monsters to be merely stupid kid stuff.

The teacher, Lee Kinser--a wonderful lady although I did get teased quite a bit because of how much we liked each other and because we had the same first name despite our binary opposed genders --realizing the literary worth of those three masterpieces, was both impressed and supportive of my choices. I made a hearse out of a shoe box with which to house my little Gothic gems on their way to the cemetery. This is all just to explain how, despite my perfect age for it, I missed out on reading the tough teenage novels of S.

Hinton back in the day when all of my peers were gobbling them up and feeling cooler-than-cool for doing so. Yeah, I grew up in an almost totally white upper-middle class suburb where rebellious teenage urges could only yearn for the street fighting, smoking, and general lower-class roughness that her Tulsa novels describe.

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I, being a product of the working-class uncomfortably inserted into this world through the charm and good luck of my wanna-be bourgeois father wasn't very interested in that stuff at the time. But, having read the "stone-cold bitch" comment I was intrigued and, finding a copy of That Was Then, This Is Now in a thrift store for a dime, my fate was sealed.

I enjoyed it. Even at my age--mid fifties--I was not at all immune to the novel's narrative of the anxieties and traumas inevitable as one moves from childlike self-absorption to an adult awareness of others, empathy, and feelings of responsibility. Along with this perhaps rather obvious truth, the novel even goes deeper by showing how to discover love is also to discover jealousy and how emotions kind of inevitably lead to a sort of bi-polar experience of agony and ecstasy for which young people are scarcely equipped to deal when they first encounter these seemingly contradictory emotions.

And, while we get better at it with practice, the pleasures and pains of love, of caring about almost anything, never totally goes away. So, yeah, it's a novel for adolescents of all ages. Mark and Bryon have been living together as brothers since the death of Mark's parents, and the two often spend time hanging out at the local bar and playing pool to earn money. The novel begins with Bryon's mother in the hospital getting surgery, which causes financial stress for the family. The boys are forced to look for jobs, but do not have much success. Bryon asks the bartender, Charlie, for a job but is refused because he is underage.

Meanwhile, the financial strife at home grows worse and Bryon's mother is hospitalized once again. Bryon eventually lands a job at the local supermarket, while Mark begins bringing in suspicious amounts of money at home, not telling Bryon where the money is coming from. Bryon then calls the police and soon after Mark returns home, the police arrive and take him away to a reformatory.

A few months later, Bryon visits Mark, though Mark makes it very clear that he now hates him, effectively ending their bond. Later, Mark acts up frequently and is sent to prison. Randy, who was in The Outsiders , also appears as a hippie in this book, which is appropriate to those who have read or seen The Outsiders , as Randy is an affluent kid who feels guilty about the class division and becomes repulsed by it, which is the background and beliefs of many hippies.

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